Illegitimate, Self-Appointed Law-Givers (update at bottom)

Amen.

Is what you say in accordance with God?

A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the teachings of God's Spirit. He thinks they're nonsense. He can't understand them because a person must be spiritual to evaluate them. Spiritual people evaluate everything but are subject to no one's evaluation. "Who has known the mind of the Lord so that he can teach him?" However, we have the mind of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 2:14-16 GW)

You have once again distorted Scripture. Scripture does not go against itself. Having the mind of Christ does not mean we have the power to see into and righteously judge the hearts of men. According to God's HOLY WORD, only God has that power. Not Victor.

Ex Animo

It is not I who pervert Scripture but you. As it is written:

Spiritual people evaluate EVERYTHING...

Why do you think you are ill, Lisa?

And he said, If you will carefully listen to the voice of Jehovah your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His Laws, I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I am Jehovah who heals you"
(Exodus 15:26 MKJV).

And:"The thief does not come except to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10 MKJV).

Once again victor, you expose your propensity for warping Scripture and taking it out of context.

Let me just make your unfounded and unbiblical accusation that is based on a twisted interpretation of Scripture clear. According to Victor, if I would obey God then I will be healed of multiple sclerosis even though this is not one of the diseases brought upon the Egyptians... and I am not an Israelite once enslaved by the Egyptians?

Your warped interpretation does not measure up to the whole counsel of God once again Victor...

Ex Animo as I live an abundant life by the grace of God, whether in comfort or in affliction, through my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Lisa

Victor, you really need to step back from all this. You're pushing it way too far.

Scripture is full of stories of people who've had physical illnesses -- people very close to God (such as Job and Paul) and people not close to God. Illness is not necessarily an indicator of one's spiritual condition -- it's only an indicator of the human race's fallen condition in general.

God has used Lisa to minister to many people through this blog. I can't speak for her, but I wonder if her illness has given her a different perspective on certain things, and unique opportunities for ministry. I have Crohn's disease, and that has been my experience.

It is extremely sad that you are stooping so low. You remain in my prayers.

I am encouraged once again by the gracious words of truth you present. Praying for you.

"It is not I who pervert Scripture but you."

That's just a statement of pride. There's no love here my friend.

Lisa is a wonderful sister in Christ. She loves Christ and His Word.

You need to repent, and come to the Cross of Christ. This is where God humbles the proud heart.
The Cross is wondrous, and when beheld by a genuine heart after Jesus Christ, then this heart will desire to pour contempt on all it's pride, and that's a daily duty for me.
However, I have grown in the knowledge and grace of Jesus Christ, and continue to be conformed into His image, by His grace and power, through the Holy Spirit.

Good heads up post Lisa. Thanks.
Keep on.

Jen, Ukrainiac and Donsands,
Thank you for taking the time to comment. Yes, Jen, you are right in what you say about what the Lord has taught me through the MS. ...not my will, but Thine, O Lord be done...

One of the accusations hurled at my husband and I from this group is that our marriage testimony video emasculates my husband and presents him as my slave. I asked my 2 teen boys what they thought about daddy being my slave according to these accusations. Their response without prompting was an immediate and sincere testimony that their dad is definitely the head of our home, that their dad is a godly man and that I, as his wife, display a high degree of appropriate respect for their dad. Interesting... and our children live with us day in and day out. Hearing them defend their father was very humbling and sweet. They were dumbfounded that someone would even think that way.
These false accusors also say that since I call my husband my hero, I have placed him above Christ and have made him an idol. No. My husband is a living example of Christ to me. He is not an idol. He is a man after God's own heart and to God alone be all the glory.

Here is what I see here: “Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says, I have done no evil” (Proverbs 30:20 MKJV).

This verse keeps coming to mind when I look at the whole situation and how you ladies act.

Lisa, I understand from reading this posting on your blog and the private correspondence you have sent me that you believe I am deceived, one of those “blind followers,” and that you consider yourself to be on the “right path.” That would make you an example that could be followed by someone like me in need to come out of what you call “deception.” However, what I have observed, your example and the way you are conducting yourself, is precisely what the Lord, in His mercy, has delivered me from. Why would I want to go back to it? If I were to do such a thing, it would be like a dog returning to its vomit, wouldn’t it? Simply put, you are suggesting that I go from being “deceived” to being a deceiver, which is what you are, as exemplified in this whole situation. Thanks but no thanks. By the grace of God, I will gladly and thankfully choose to remain “deceived.”

Do you think that you need to apologize for the way you have lied in pretending that it was not you writing me, but someone else impersonating you? Or are you going to walk away, wiping your mouth and saying you have done no wickedness?

Ingrid

Ingrid,
You are very confused. I already explained the situation and you have taken everything out of context and twisted my words. This is what all of this comes down to... Proverbs 4:14-15, 13:20, 16:28, 20:3, 26:17, 26:20, Romans 16:17, 1Cor. 15:33, James 3:16

I am not the adulterous woman you venomously write of ...among your other countless unfounded accusations.

You are caught up in a perverse path. You surround yourself with people that spread strife. You are quarrelsome and "cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching" in the Word of God. You are swimming in vomit.

And according to the Word of God, I wrongly have engaged in conversation with you. For that I beg the forgiveness of my Lord. Please stop e-mailing me and stop leaving comments at my website. Pass this on to all of Victor's followers.

Ex Animo

People, if you wish to perish in your illnesses, that is your prerogative. As if you know what all diseases the Lord laid on the Egyptians. And why should that matter anyway? The Lord promises that no good thing would He withhold from those who walk uprightly. Obviously with MS we can hardly say you walk uprightly.

When we tell you about a better way in the Lord Jesus Christ, you cry foul and insist the will of God for health regarding those that call on His Name is wrong and evil. It is no wonder you are sick. What wicked liars you all are.

Lisa, are you denying you did not flat-out lie to us about posting on Carla’s blog? Is subterfuge and deceit what you refer to as your “gracious reply”? If so, that is consistent behavior for a liar. We have the record here of all that has been said and if you will not share it, we will, that others may see how Calvinism with a feminine touch, as one of you calls it, works.

We know that lying is a work of the flesh. While the hearts of men are not open for deceivers to see, the Scriptures plainly declare that the works of the flesh are MANIFEST (clearly revealed) to those whose eyes have been opened by God. Your denials are self-serving and antiChrist.

It is not patriotism, but religion that is the last refuge of scoundrels. That is the lesson of John Calvin and those that follow him in his ways.

UPDATE: Lisa, I see your new posting says that we have falsely accused you of emasculating your husband. You use your children to testify that this is not so. That is like asking fish in the sea if they are in water. They do not know what you are talking about, having nothing to compare to the fact that they have been in water all their lives. Your children, sincere as they may be, and as sincere as you may be, are in error and delusion with you. You have proven nothing by appealing to those close to you. Blood is indeed thicker than water. You have no spiritual understanding or wisdom.

Frankly, your husband may have been emasculated before you did your work on him. We are not sure, and it does not matter. The fact is that he is titular head of your household only, despite the appearances in which you trust. The Lord Jesus Christ says not to judge by appearances.

Plainly you are the man of the house to whom we have been speaking all along. Where, as I once asked before, are your husbands? Why do they not speak with us? Because you women are the spiritual heads, contrary to Scripture and Godly order. You and your families suffer because this is so.

I never said you have placed your husband above Christ. I said that you serve yourself in your idolatry. You do not truly love your husband. The idolater serves herself, not the idol. The one Lisa Nunley truly loves is Lisa Nunley. That is why you protest so vehemently over this matter. It impugns your righteousness and work. She that keeps her life loses it.

That is why you lied to us, trying to hide your identity. That is why you fight for your life here, and seek solace from those in darkness, in a mutual admiration society where all of you serve yourselves.

“Flattery is nothing less than setting a trap” (Proverbs 29:5 CEV).

Paul

Paul... I already wrote you about this. You are the liar. I already told you those e-mails to Ingrid were not from me. As I said, the comments from Carla were definitely from me and they were warranted. Did you misplace that e-mail?or delete that part? I also told you that the situation has been handled as it should... or did you delete that too? Do not forget to read on the left side bar "Why I Blog"

I do not fight for my life. My life is abundant through Christ and in HIM alone I stand uprightly and stomp in puddles with my children, and ski down mountains as I look up and proclaim "I will lift mine eyes unto the hills; from whence cometh my help? My help cometh from the Lord who made heaven and earth..." Psalm 121.

I will praise you, O LORD, with all my heart; I will tell of all your wonders. I will be glad and rejoice in you; I will sing praise to your name, O Most High. --Psalm 9:1,2

I write this last comment to you and all of Victor's followers to officially inform you that your comments in my blog will no longer be posted and your e-mails will be sent directly to my trash bin. You have continually proven to be what the Scriptures warn true believers in Christ to turn away from. I will not enter your path of wickedness. I have repented of even attempting to converse with you. Your own words condemn you.

This is it. No more. The end.

Ex Animo,
Lisa

Wow Lisa, these people make my stomach turn. I have met nasty people in the church, and these may be some of the nastiest.

They are full of pride, and self-righteousness. May the Lord give them broken spirits, and contrite hearts.

"But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My Word." Isa. 66:2

Truly when we sometimes cast our pearls before swine, they come and trample us.

Lord bless you Lisa. Keep on my sister. You have a great testimony. You are not unlike Joni, though she is one of my "hero's" of the faith, as is John Piper, and John Calvin.

Lisa, that was an excellent selection of verses you shared in your comment to Ingrid -- and a good reminder to us all.

You're a beautiful woman of God and I'm grateful that you blog. I've learned a lot and been blessed many times over here at Deo Volente, and I know I'm not the only one.

To God be the glory, amen?

Yes, Donsands. As I said, their own words condemn them.

Truly amen Jen. To God ALONE be all the glory. And as my left sidebar says, "I definitely have no insight that is deeper than what God has already revealed. Therefore, if you find anything of value here than give God the glory!"

Specifically for Victor and all of his followers:

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.--I Timothy 4:1-2

"And His disciples asked Him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?' (3) Jesus answered, 'It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.'"

John 9:2-3